Posts by Joe Grundy

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Here is their policy on child abuse from JW-media.org

by not bitter in

http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm.

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Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

by cantleave in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

Joe Grundy

Cedars: you might want to look at the BBC MB link above.

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Plaintiff awarded in punitive damages -21M & 1 dollar. Total award, 28M & 1 dollar. Here's more info

by AndersonsInfo in

the plaintiff, candace conti's goal from the very beginning was to bring enough attention to this problem to incentivize watchtower to change its policy of secrecy.

the award can be explained as it was decided: separate compensatory and punitive damages.

the punitive award is established in law to punish wrongdoing - here, the conscious disregard for others - and deter that conduct in the future.

Joe Grundy

My understanding of the award from reading the court documents is this:

'Injury damages': $7m, split Kendrick 60%, congregation 13%, WTBTS NY 27%

Punitive damages (on the basis of 'malice'): $21,000,001.00 ALL against WTBTS NY.

I stand to be corrected.

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i just checked twitter and the story is picking up tremendously there.. many people only get their news from twitter now.. i encourage you to use twitter, you can do this anonymously.. rt (return the stories) get familiar with twitter if you are not already.. it's a wonderful format for spreading the news.. many activist will see this and spread the story that have many followers.... the time to do this is now, before the story gets too old.

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purps.

Joe Grundy

Cedars: Pls see the 'It's on the Daily Mail' thread.

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Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

by cantleave in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

Joe Grundy

Thanks! I hope that this will bring the story to a new audience.

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Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

by cantleave in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

Joe Grundy

Bumping in the hope that someone can make my link 'clickable'.

Thanks

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Its on the Daily Mail Website!!!!!

by cantleave in

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160605/candance-conti-molested-jehovahs-witnesses-member-age-nine-wins-28milion.html.

Joe Grundy

I've posted a message with links to this on the biggest BBC messageboard:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbarchers/NF2693943?thread=8360673

This should help to get the story out.

(Sorry don't know how to make it 'clickable')

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Confidential matters or policy of secrecy?

by irondork in

jw
friends

'this jury bought it'mccabe said simons "did a great job of spinning it into a policy of secrecy, and this jury bought it.".

in fact, mccabe said, the letter was a run-of-the mill reminder that some communications must be kept confidential.

he noted that a section of the letter devoted to child abuse instructed elders to report all allegations to church lawyers so victims can be "protected from further damage.".

Joe Grundy

'Both sides of this seem to have merit.'

No, no,no.

I know whereof I speak. I was a police officer, mainly detective and mainly supervisory/management for 30 years. I dealt with more child abuse cases than I want to remember (yes, I do see them in unwelcome dreams) and although I am UK based rather than US the principles are the same.

Forgive me if I get a little 'wound up' here but these are my feelings, and they come from long experience from dealing with victims.

'Report all allegations to (church?) WTBTS lawyers?' No. WTF have they got to do with anything, except minimise legal liability? No, in the first place report allegations to the appropriate authority. On one occasion, I 'blue lighted' to a school to get to a victim before the abuser did (he later got 8 years).

In most jurisdictions nowadays there is a responsibility to report these matters to the responsible authority (and that does not include some self-appointed delusional God-related amateur wanna-bes). Those responsibilities are well publicised and should be welll known and self-evident to anyone.

Those who fall short of meeting their repsonsibility may well be held to be criminally or civilly liable. Good. I hope it makes them think.

PS: Would you want to be an elder now????

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CAN ANYONE SPARE A DONATION FOR THE WORLD WIDE WORK FOR $11.6 Million?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

the society's will probably pay out $5-$7,000.000 on this award instead of filing an appeal.

the brother was fined 60 percent of the damages, the society held 40% of the liability of this lawsuit.. .

.40 x $28,000,000 is $11.6 million dollars!.

Joe Grundy

BA: Just a factual correction.

The award against WTBTS NY was 27% of $7m in personal damages = $1.89m plus 100% of punitive damages=$21m (and a dollar). Total $21.89m.

From the financial statements submitted there should be no problems with collection.

Subject to appeal, of course, but what a can of worms that could open.

And, of course, the judgement against the KH congegation was 13% of $7m = $910,000. That may concentrate a few minds.

Edited to add: Would you really, really, want to be an elder right now?

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The Watchtower Punished: Society loses legal battle over child abuse case

by cedars in

it's taken a while, but i've finally managed to put up an article on this remarkable court case.. a link to my article is below:.

http://jwsurvey.org/general-information/the-watchtower-punished-society-loses-legal-battle-over-child-abuse-case.

i've tried very hard to make the article as factual as possible by reading and comparing the various documents available.

Joe Grundy

Cedars: Excellent job! Just one point - you use the term 'criminally liable'. Not strictly accurate, as this was a civil court ruling. 'Liable' on its own would be OK or perhaps 'Liable with malice' as per the jury decision.

Sorry, not being nitpicking but I think we all know just how nitpicking JW apologists can be!